A couple of month back we discussed on samba mailing-list an issue in
heimdal with S4U2Self when the user is not in the same domain as the
The problem is that we cannot just start by sending S4U2Self request
to local KDC in the service realm and hope to be referred. Instead we
first need to obtain a TGT to TGS in that user's realm. Only then we
can send S4U2Self request to a KDC in the user's realm and follow back
referrals to our own realm.
See MS-SFU sections [220.127.116.11.1.1] and [4.2] for details, as well as
MIT implementation where it works ok.
I would like to propose the attached patch which I have tested against
windows lab env, both direct forest trust and transitive forest trust
with two child domains thru parent (passes make-check).
Example test: kgetcred --debug --out-cache=out
--impersonate=[hidden email] -H
A couple of follow-ups items I am thinking on:
- Try to see if it can be tested by heimdal.
- Do we need to fix get_cred_kdc_capath() too or just fail it early
(we currently issue a failed sfu request before falling back to
- When the impersonated user is given as UPN (enterprise?) then
according to MS-SFU [18.104.22.168.1.1] the first step is to locate user's
realm (since the same UPN suffix can be used in different realms).
This is done by sending AS request to the local KDC of the service
with the UPN follow referrals till we get pre-auth required. This is
implemented in MIT in s4u_identify_user() and I'm considering porting
- The fix currently only works when the service name is given as SPN,
that is a shared global namespace and can be referred by KDC in other
realms. The way MIT work around this, is by converting the user
principal to enterprise name (user@domain) which is a global namespace
as well (convert_to_enterprise()). I wonder if it is worth porting
since the caller could determine the situation and convert by himself.
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 5:45 AM, Isaac Boukris <[hidden email]> wrote:
> A couple of follow-ups items I am thinking on:
> - Try to see if it can be tested by heimdal.
> - Do we need to fix get_cred_kdc_capath() too or just fail it early
> (we currently issue a failed sfu request before falling back to
Now that I've looked into heimdal's impersonate tests, I realize the
current KDC behavior is to issue a s4u2self ticket to any user from
any realm, as long as the service ask it for it self, so it always
succeeds (unless hdb plugin implements hdb_check_s4u2self() as in
In fact, even in its own domain the KDC doesn't perform any check to
see if the user exist in db (unless it needs to add PAC), which
doesn't sound very useful to me as it doesn't provide the service with
So I think it would be better to try get this tested within samba instead.
As regarding get_cred_kdc_capath(), I think it cannot be fixed. IIUC
it tries to get the referral-tgts explicitly by requesting them from
the KDCs along the path (and without canonicalize flag).
However, this doesn't seem to work for s4u2self, and if I ask
tgt-referral with 'pa-for-user' I just get bad-match error (also I
couldn't find any such flow in doc).
Given the above, I'm in favor to fail get_cred_kdc_capath() if the
service and impersonated user are from different realms and rely on
This means the client will try to locate user's realm to request
s4u2self ticket (and that realm has to exist).